Anyone who has made a cursory glance at some of my blogs knows I’m a feminist. More specifically a feminist who loves Supernatural.
My spouse pointed this out when I was watching a YouTube video that was simply guest stars talking about being on the show. He wasn’t wrong.
Two shows I’ve been wanting to see for a long time are “Kings of Con” about two Supernatural actors on the convention circuit. The other show is “Con Man” and has Alan Tudyk. I loved Firefly (who didn’t, other than Fox?) and have long loved Alan Tudyk. My short review of both:
Kings of Con is the funnier and more enjoyable series for me, but that is in large part because I’m not a fan of poop and Alan Tudyk really enjoys poop jokes that just make me gag. Con Man is also a little more mean-spirited in general because the titular character is such an ass as to be almost irredeemable. Both shows had me laughing out loud, by myself at least once an episode, so they are both enjoyable and worth the time, but with Con Man I did take breaks to watch things a little less dark.
I will say that one of the episodes of Con Man that appealed to my dark sense of humor was a musical version of Of Mice and Men that the main character is forced into performing by Lou Ferrigno (who wrote it, of course). The songs are horrifyingly funny – especially the recurring melody and line “Turn around and bang!” which had my spouse and I laughing in a horrified kind of way. When Con Man is funny it’s hilarious.
Meanwhile, Kings of Con is a funnier show all around, in part because of the dynamic between the two leads, Rob Benedict and Rich Speight. They are funny and have great bantering chemistry. They also have a regular cast of characters that round things out in a wonderful way. The show stealer for me was Kim Rhodes as Sue, who is so funny and sarcastic and badass. Her lines almost always cracked me up the most. “When I said go fuck yourself, this isn’t what I meant,” had me laughing so hard I had to pause the show.
Kings of Con is a show I would definitely watch again.
Kings of Con also has a show, Kings of Conversation which is the actors in the show talking about the show. I definitely won’t be watching Kings of Conversation again.
I really wished I hadn’t watched it to begin with. For the longest time, I simply wouldn’t watch actors I liked in interviews. My best example of this is when I was watching BtVS a lot and I really liked Seth Green. Saw him on the Daily Show one night where dude was so high he could barely talk. I know that celebrities are human beings and I make a ton of allowances for that, but seeing someone incoherently giggle through an interview is a bummer. I tried to write it off as a fluke, but most of the interviews I’ve seen with him have been disappointing at best.
Kings of Conversation was a bummer to me as a feminist and I couldn’t really put my finger on why it bothered me so much until the last episode. The last episode all of these actors I would love to talk to or hear their stories were in the audience – Briana Buckmaster (Sheriff Donna Hanscom), Ruth Connell (Rowena), Julie McNiven (Anna), Alaina Huffman (Abaddon)and other women from the show I’d love to hear.
I get the main thought here – Supernatural is pretty testosterone heavy show with leading “lumbersexual” men as main characters. The fans do tend to like men and some beefcake-y-ness (is too a word) in general, but one of the flaws of Supernatural (that seems to be improving in season 12 with Mama Winchester) is a lack of female characters. The cool ones tend to get killed off (Charlie!!), which is why I say a prayer for Sheriff Mills and Sheriff Hanscom every night.
Anyway, the idea of these talented women sitting in the audience – some of whom never even got the opportunity to sit at the bar with the boys – just rubbed me the wrong way. Especially after Lindsay Sloane was on the show. This poor woman tried so hard to tell what might have been a simple story. I’ll never know as she was interrupted so much she couldn’t even finish. She was trying to talk about Jared Padalecki and her in California right when they first started acting, but in a show where the actors are trying to riff and joke, a slight slip-up means story derailment.
Lindsay said, “Fresh off the boat…” and Rich said, “From Texas??” and the laughter and joking from there meant that she had no opportunity to finish the story, not that she could have gotten a word in edge-wise. This is something every woman I know has experienced at some point in time. The look on her face of humor at her misspeak, but smiling frustration that she wasn’t going to be able to finish her story as well. That smiling, fine, I guess I’ll just shut up look is one I recognize too well. She still commented here and there, but she was mostly silent after this because why keep trying to swim uphill?
She was one of a handful of female guests – Kim Rhodes being the only other one I can even think of at the moment – who actually sat at the bar to talk and joke around with the hosts.
It’s a little thing to bug me so much, but it’s ok. I can watch and like Kings of Con without having to delve further down the rabbit hole with Kings of Conversation. But I really wish I hadn’t found out that God and Gabriel have the same inherent dismissal sexism of everyone else.